whipping & cigarette torture

[tramplefloor]

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[helpmebreathe]

Vicious-thanks

[Mistress Sara]

Plain and simple cruelty...gotta love it. I once put out a cigarette out on ken's back once just to see what it was like. Maybe he should get his supermoderator ass in here and kiss and tell.

[pete_sinner]

Awesome!! Thanx for this great clip!!

@Mistress Sara..............this Ken is so lucky!!!

[DD imprint]

I second that! Lucky Ken. On the vid, the whipping was ok, but went on a bit too long for me, I like variety. I've often wished my mistress smoked - though she has posed for me with a cig in a long holder for a glamour photo pic and I'm grateful for that. I do fantasise sometimes about her using cigs on me with her holder and keeping the hot end pressed into me while she actually smokes it for maximum effect (which would hurt like hell I'm sure). It would leave little burn circles that could be linked up to spell out her initial - wow, her ownership brand on her slave - hee hee hee

[Vinylqueen]

I'm sorry to say, but I found that clip HORRIBLE. That wasn't about BDSM, that was about plain old cruelty. Is this what people think goes on in sessions with Pro Dommes? Is this what people think I do for shits and giggles? I know that no one likes to watch a warm up, but have some TECHNIQUE folks. Yes, I know--it's a video clip. It's supposed to shock, but hey--you can at least not hit the guy in the kidneys repeatedly. Those girls knew nothing about how to handle whips. They were like two school kids playing with a gun they found in a bush somewhere, waving it around with impunity.

I've been practicing BDSM for far longer than I've been a Pro, and my trained eye lets me know that guy wasn't acting. He was also DONE. He was doing his best to kick his attackers--and that is what I consider them to be. He wasn't getting a whipping, he was being ASSAULTED. He was being INJURED. That was no different than two dirty cops interrogating a suspect with their billy clubs.

No wonder the rest of the world thinks we are a bunch of sickos. That clip does NOTHING for showing that extreme activities CAN be done with both parties enjoying themselves.

VQ

[kenrug]

Okay, Sara and I are now checking the video.

[kenrug]

That was just insane. The link has been removed. Our thanks to Vinyl Queen for pointing this out to us. There’s no way for us to view every video posted or referenced on MDFF, which is why we rely on members to keep us aware of what’s going on.

On the other forums within MDFF a great deal of latitude is given as to what is posted. Some of the activities are, frankly, somewhat dangerous. We assume (and hope) that when some member sees a car running over a person they inherently know that it’s potentially dangerous. But with flogging it’s a different issue because it’s not so obvious what the dangers could be.

What that video showed was just plain stupid in so many ways it’s hard to catalog.

First: do not – ever – put yourself in a position where you cannot give a safeword, or some sign. That man’s mouth was covered by tape and there was no way for him to indicate that he’d had enough.

Second: the man’s hands were turning purple from the restraints. That might or might not be a problem, but it depends on the experience of the Domme. Which brings us to...

Never, ever, let yourself be fully restrained and left in the hands of rank armatures. I’m sure the women meant well, but they clearly did not know what they were doing. I lost count of the number of side blows delivered by that whip. And it’s not the pain that’s the issue, it’s the vulnerability of the internal organs (e.g. kidneys) that are exposed to internal damage by hard-hitting side strokes.

The only purpose this video could serve is as an example of how not to engage in Safe, Sane and Consensual BDSM.

[Vinylqueen]

I hope the readers of this forum know that I would never play "tattle tale" about a clip if I didn't think it was just plain old excessive. ken is completely right about the side blows and the kidney shots. That whip wasn't a light buggy whip, but packed a good heft. I know, I have one.

Thanks for pulling it.

VQ

[Mistress Sara]

Vinyl Queen,

No one thinks that. And if they do, shame on them. You have been on the forum for quite some time and it is nice to know that the moderators can count on experienced members to alert us.

That clip was horrible and you are right, those girls didn't know what they were doing. Also the fact that the sub couldn't give a signal of any kind, well, that is just not acceptable.

[Rich]

This Site has always played fair & safe.

That's why stuff like that is not allowed here. A safe place to go and play is very important to me. That's why I keep cumming back here, I like most of the people & I know it's for fun.

However...........In this wonderful world of ours a person can go and get the real thing if they want it. I'm not saying it's a good idea, or everyone should try it. It is however out there. I've seen it, it's real, and some really twisted people enjoy watching, & participating in the action.

I know for a fact that some of the people that frequent this board have been too, & have watched. Quite frankly, I saw a clip once that a really miss-guided friend of mine showed me; it turned me on quite a bit until I realised it was real.

In a way it's good that this little incident occurred. It gives the Mod's here a chance to talk a little bit about what is OK & what is just plain twisted. A line could be crossed here that could place our wonderful safe place; in harms way.

[Servitude]

I did not see the clip... got here to late but will add my 2 cents worth anyway. There are different degrees that different people participate in BDSM. (Different strokes for different folks) Now as we all respect this and this forum is for the open minded, mostly mature consenting adults, I would like to say lets not be over judgmental of others folks kinks and the way in which they pursue them. I have seen some seriously stupid shit depicted in this forum and reserve my judgment as it is someone else’s idea of a good time. If you read a couple of sentences up you will notice that this clip was fine with Mistress Sara, (all respect Mistress) “Plain and simple cruelty...gotta love it.” And then all of a sudden it became unacceptable because VQ (all respect to you to Mistress) did not agree with the content. Food for thought! No need to reply! Just offering an alternate opinion amongst alternately like minded people! Respectfully Servitude.

[Mistress Sara]

No need to reply? no way, you are wrong servitude, I didn't see the clip. I saw the photo only. For some reason I can't run rapidshare on my computer so when a clip appears, I have to go to ken's machine to view it.
I can see how you would have thought that, and I should of explained that better but I assumed that when ken wrote that we were veiwing the clip that it was understood that I hadn't seen it.

I saw the clip the same way VQ did. It wasn't bdsm, the blows that those girls were giving the guy were all in the wrong places and he obviously was not having a good time. In my opinion he was a fool to allow himself to be so bound. Mind you, nothing wrong with spreader bars but did you see his hands? they looked as if they were turning blue (not a good sign) his mouth was covered, he could not say a "safe" word if he wanted to.

I enjoy being cruel to men, but I do watch out for their well being, I would never ever try to hurt them intentionally because that is not what bdsm is all about. VQ was 100% right when she said he was being assaulted, and that he was done. he was.

Feel free to reply.

[kenrug]

Mistress Sara has my backing on this. Some time ago I made the decision to move more of the responsibility of content decision making to the individual Forum moderators, and this is an example of where that moderator discretion has come into play.

I don’t appoint moderators unless I trust their judgment. Each has my backing because I’ve found them to be serious people who have the best interests of MDFF and the general membership at the top of their priority list. Each team of moderators tends to create an individual “culture” within their Forum, and I think this is a good idea. In this case part of that culture is to encourage responsible BDSM practices.

[hambonebean2003]

you know... You read these stories about (unwilling) sexual slavery in japan. I saw an excerpt from a clip which this pic may have been from. A gagged slave was branded in front of a group of women. The horrified look on the faces of some of the women and the actual look of desperation on the slave. I'm actually concerned that the yapoo series of movies may not be consentual on either side...

[flatworm00]

I did not see the clip either but I must agree...Kuddo's to the Vinyl Queen, Mistress Sara & Kenrug. It is nice to know that there is sanity in the world and that there are limits...Each person has his own. If it was purely an assault, and I have no doubt that it was one, then I think the right decision was made and good common sense prevailed...that is why I like this board so much!!!

[Servitude]

Dearest Mistress Sara... Most humble apologies if I offended! I to did not see the clip and only added my opinion after seeing the photo as well. It just seems difficult to believe that a man can be unwillingly strung up and thrashed to a pulp. Some men just find it bearable to take such “stupid beatings” and probably enjoy the ultimate power exchange. Take a look at the following link and see how a man just stands for extreme beating after beating without restraints or paraphernalia, on his stomach, back, penis, legs with a cane, electric cable even a bar of soap in a sock! http://www.clips4sale.com/store/2768. There are quite a few links there to other extreme BDSM action of this nature. I fully understand and support both Yours and Kens decision to remove the clip to protect our Forum. Although this is not my thing, I was just pointing out that there are people out there who go to these extremes, thus I must reiterate, “There are different degrees that different people participate in BDSM. (Different strokes for different folks)”
Respectfully, Servitude.

By the by, does anyone know what happened to heelzoverhead? Her work is just up my alley!

[Scorpio]

Just want to say that I am sorry but I also assumed that you had seen the clip Sara, your initial reply was a little on the ambiguous side. I tend not to bother with clips as I am terrrified of getting a virus on my PC, so I didn't bother to look at it as I thought you had. Teach me! As they say when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME

I realised later that you were only commenting on the pic, we will have to be more careful in future. I will say that I agree FULLY with the decision to remove it. I am with you Sara in that it has to be pleasure for both parties involved and from what has been said that clip it sounds awful.

Scorpio ;)

[Sabina]

It is not that easy to carefully review every single clip, you know - hundreds of megabytes and a lot of time to download them...
So, we have to rely ALSO on the honesty of each poster and on the timely suggestions of other members, as in this case.

Nevertheless I think a hint about the content can help, mostly with disputable issues.
So I ask everybody to give a brief description of what they are going to publish here.

.

[hambonebean2003]

It just seems difficult to believe that a man can be unwillingly strung up and thrashed to a pulp.

:confused:

[Mistress Sara]

I will make myself more clear in the future. I could see how how one could think that I thought that because of what I wrote.

All is forgiven, I'm not mad...

[tramplefloor]

for Seritude:

electric cable-beating-clip

http://rapidshare.de/files/9241484/NM_O_Extreme_Whipping_with_Electrical_Cable.mov 36

by the way: didn't look with an eagle-eye at the 'whipping & cigarette torture-clip', just wanted to share. These Japs are just extreme!

[pete_sinner]

I didn't know it could be dangerous to be whipped like this......of course it never happened to me...but as VQ said...the slaves looked like he had enough.....they wanted it very extreme or are they amateurs?? Who knows...

[Servitude]

Hey Tramplefloor, Thanks for the clip, also not my seen, but it emphasizes what is out there!
Servitude

[brett]

I'm actually concerned that the yapoo series of movies may not be consentual on either side...

Huh? Naomi Asano is holding a gun to somebody’s head?
I have at least ten full lengths yapoo videos. A lot of the torture scenes the guys’ hands aren’t even tied; he’s just wrapped at the shoulders. He could reach out and slap the shit out of the girls if he wanted.
And the girls are having way too much fun.
And before you laugh me out of the room Sara, the scat is sick but you take the good with the bad.
I don’t know where the offending clip came from. Maybe it was hers, I’ve only got like ten vids and she’s made at least forty.

[teensub]

for Seritude:

electric cable-beating-clip

http://rapidshare.de/files/9241484/NM_O_Extreme_Whipping_with_Electrical_Cable.mov 36

by the way: didn't look with an eagle-eye at the 'whipping & cigarette torture-clip', just wanted to share. These Japs are just extreme!


Hi tramplefloor,

Do you happen to have more clips from this serie ?

Thanks

[mmmphfff]

Can't help it....
but I am getting more and more curious about the clip.

[DD imprint]

Yeah I get the impression that in the Far East BDSM activities are less playful and more spiteful, I confess I didn't consider that maybe the torture clip was perhaps (and only perhaps) not consetual, in which case of course I would not condone it either. Its all conjecture, but he could have simply been paid to appear in a 'mild kinky movie' with no idea of what he was really letting himself in for (hence the tape to shut him up and not spoil the sound track with objections and screams). Or perhaps he really did say 'go for it girls and don't mind me'. We just don't know...Mind you there was obviously at least one camera person in attendance who could step in and halt things (if they wanted to!). As I did say in my post I thought the whipping went on too long, he was certainly bucking around a lot, it really was hurting him badly and whipping's not my thing anyway. I did enjoy seeing the girls using their cigs on him, but I suppose even that didn't look too happy a situation. He certainly did not want to keep still under their cigarettes, maybe the whipping just took all strength out of him - as Mistress VQ says, he was DONE. Anyhow, I feel suitably guilty now for watching it at all :(

[Babylonia]

It may be old news now, but I'm just getting the chance to visit this thread. I didn't see the clip, but if the moderators felt it went to far, then they did the right thing in removing it.

On a different note, is there any acceptable reason why some people insist on referring to Japanese people as "Japs" here and in other threads even though everyone knows it's considered a derogatory term?

[kenrug]

On a different note, is there any acceptable reason why some people insist on referring to Japanese people as "Japs" here and in other threads even though everyone knows it's considered a derogatory term?Terms that are considered “racist” (or other such comments) are a violation of Rule 13 (see Rules here: http://www.mistressdestiny.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2 ). Moderators enforce this Rule when they see violations of it. Members are strongly requested to report such posts using the exclamation point button ( http://mistressdestiny.com/forums/images/styles/sosumi/buttons/report.gif ) near the upper right corner of each post box.

[DD imprint]

Mistress Sara, if you don't mind me enquiring, I just noticed you said earlier that you once put a cigarette out on ken's back just to see what it was like.....So, what was it like? Did it leave a permanent circular scar or just a temporary sore spot. I have wondered, but never seen it happen in close up. How much did it hurt Ken, I mean did he respond like 'ouch' or scream like 'aaaagggggh'. Did your ash kind of stick into the skin or does it come off clean. My mistress doesn't smoke, but I am just curious and I do have some occaisional thoughts about smoke play, if thats the term.
Regards
DDi

[Mistress Sara]

Hi dd-

Yes, I have put a cigarette out on his back; I did knock off most of the cherry, but did leave a little bit on as I knew it would hurt. I had ken lying on his stomach, I tossed down the cigarette butt and ground it out under my boot on him as I would the pavement. I do recall it wasn’t a “ouch” that hurt, it was more of what you asked, “ahh” but then again, “mmmm” it was during a play session where his mind was where I wanted it and the pure cruelty of it made it not so bad as it would be if I were to do it while not playing. It did burn his skin a bit, and it was treated like any burn would be, and it did blister and then it just scarred over.
I suppose it is just a reminder of how cruel I can be at times.

[damianhellfire]

When I firsst started filming for sara akeera at naughtyclub, we had lots of volenteer subs. one day non of them showed up so I had to be the pony and also star in a tickle video while being restrained by the three hottest domina's in vancouver. They tickled me relentlessly and I squeeeeled like a stuck pig. I wasn't laughing at the time but they kept making it worse going right into my abs. Man o man I watch it now and I laugh but talk about taking one for the team. They didn't give a shit they just wanted a forced tickle video and did it