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Old 09-12-2017, 1:45 PM
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I understand and respect your position. I don't happen to share it, which is also ok.

I'm all debated out on this issue. I spent months in debate on the morality, legality, plausibility, viability, profitability, etc of copyrighted media protection ideas. Shoulds and shouldn'ts. It's pointless because there is no middle ground. That was on Gearslutz Music producers forum. A huge forum with virtually everyone who's anyone in the music business as members.

since it's impossible to protect your media once you've released it into the abyss of the internet, why fret about it? It's not going to change.

Many musicians have now adjusted to the reality and make their recordings available as free downloads in the hopes that they will generate interest in a tour where they will make some cashola.

My unsolicited advice would be to try not to get your titties in a twist over it and relax. Everybody will be ok, even if their cash register has sprung a leak.
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Old 09-12-2017, 2:34 PM
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Thanks Bounder. I understand and appreciate your clear perspective. Carry on.
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:20 PM
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What started this recently for me was the following. Pornhub had a trample clip of me in it. Then I noticed it had been viewed over something like 55,000 times. Then I was thinking how many people hadn't even paid a penny for those views. Then I realized there was another clip of me, this time a face in ass type of clip (same producer, same female model). And it had something like over 115,000 views.

Maybe you see what is annoying here, maybe you don't agree. Perhaps like this thread you think it's all right to view these for whatever weird "reasoning" as has been provided already.

It's theft pure and simple. And those that use pornhub to "share" other people's work are commiting a crime. It's just that simple and just because John can't stop it any better than another manager it's still wrong. It's up to each individual to make that decision. I am of the view this thread should be banned.
Well Marcus, did you complain to PH about your material to get it removed ?

Have you complained to YT about your material to get it removed ?

Have you reported any posts you are not happy with the MDFF's admin ?

Have you responded to my request not to post links to anything of "yours" ?

I don't want to fall out with you over this, but if your answer is no to any of the above then you (& any other producers) have only themselves to blame.

TBH, I would be quite happy to just provide links to the amateur material, but there is not that much & what there is seems to get reported (by commercial producers ?) & removed very quickly indeed - & some of the clips are very mild & not really sexual at all & contain no nudity.

There is no need to ban this thread, indeed, you are (so far) the only one asking for it to be banned & it's taken you some years to comment in this way. Banning the thread will do nothing to stop links being shared - it will only drive it underground. At least as it is it can be monitored & moderated.

As for PH, IIRC, I have not posted links from there, almost exclusivly YT. It can always be requested that members do not post links to PH.

I would be happy to be able to moderate this thread only - it can be done if it were in a separate section.

I would also be happy to discuss the issue further with you or any other producers - my email is :
pedantik@yahoo.co.uk

Oh, & another thing - why are you not complaining about Sinbads, Rehavas & other similar threads ? Nearly all the material posted/linked to there belongs to someone else.
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Old 09-13-2017, 7:20 AM
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Well Marcus, did you complain to PH about your material to get it removed ?

Have you complained to YT about your material to get it removed ?

Have you reported any posts you are not happy with the MDFF's admin ?

Have you responded to my request not to post links to anything of "yours" ?

I don't want to fall out with you over this, but if your answer is no to any of the above then you (& any other producers) have only themselves to blame.

TBH, I would be quite happy to just provide links to the amateur material, but there is not that much & what there is seems to get reported (by commercial producers ?) & removed very quickly indeed - & some of the clips are very mild & not really sexual at all & contain no nudity.

There is no need to ban this thread, indeed, you are (so far) the only one asking for it to be banned & it's taken you some years to comment in this way. Banning the thread will do nothing to stop links being shared - it will only drive it underground. At least as it is it can be monitored & moderated.

As for PH, IIRC, I have not posted links from there, almost exclusivly YT. It can always be requested that members do not post links to PH.

I would be happy to be able to moderate this thread only - it can be done if it were in a separate section.

I would also be happy to discuss the issue further with you or any other producers - my email is :
pedantik@yahoo.co.uk

Oh, & another thing - why are you not complaining about Sinbads, Rehavas & other similar threads ? Nearly all the material posted/linked to there belongs to someone else.
Believe me this isn't personal. I'm not into "flaming" you or anyone else. It's clear you believe what you are doing is correct and right. It's just as clear that I believe what you are doing is incorrect and wrong.

I was a Moderator of this site for many years contributing thousands and thousands of posts and endless hours of my personal time to help the community. I've dealt with far more odious people than you. I know you are not the worst by a long shot. This is more a discussion of something gone awry and that should be banned rather than someone that has gone awry and should be banned.

And normally I wouldn't get into a tit for tat thing as you have asked for in your various questions. Just take it as truth that I have tried all manner of these things as I supported our community in a myriad of ways.

Just so people who may be interested know, I have always been an amateur model (and an amateur Moderator for that matter) simply as I was never paid money for any service I performed. All of the work that I have provided (in the hundreds of clips and even more as images) have been in the pursuit of an art which I enjoy (and likely most here also enjoy). Never have I stooped so low as to share other's art without at the least saying it was provided by so-and-so studio or model.

It's threads like this one (and far less egregious) that forced famed performers such as Stryder and Tread to rethink their generous contributions.

I think you, bfrug, and those who follow you, share in this. Enough said. Back to our regular scheduled programming ...
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:30 AM
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Strange, no discussion on the valid points I raised, but still you want the thread banned.

You mention Stryder & Tread - now, if you had been paying attention you would have noticed that there have been very few links to their material posted by others & few (if any links) from me - reason being that I don't like their material, so you cannot blame this thread for their lack of participation.

I think the lack of comments from producers says it all - there really is no real issues with this thread.

Marcus, I think you must have your Tampax in sideways.
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Old 09-13-2017, 1:48 PM
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Firstly let me say a big thank you to bfrug for all of the effort that he has put in over the years to support this forum. I think that he is one of only a handful of contributors that contribute without reason of commercial gain.

Looking down page one of the forum it's easy to see that almost all of the contributors are either professional or semi professional studios who use this forum as a way to communicate and promote their products to potential buyers, as such this is largely an advertising forum.
And what a great way to advertise your products to your core market place.
I am grateful to you for promoting your products here because I enjoy this site as a 'go to' site for seeing what's hot and what's not to buy.

However the forum needs people like bfrug in order to keep it connected to us the community, without that link it's just an advertising site and not a community site.

I respect that quality products are expensive and labour intensive to produce and that effort, investment and commitment should be respected. Commercial producers have done a huge amount to bring what would once have been fairly dire sketchy 'fetish' films into what we have now, a high quality modern era.
I suppose the if we the customer did not feel engaged by the clips and films we wouldn't want to share them.

And while the internet has revolutionised the way in which we the consumer can access new products it is also a double edged sword, since it has also enhanced our ability to communicate and share.

If we were to go back 30 or 40 years, before the wide spread access that the net provides most of the products advertised here would simply not be accessible to the wide audience that is now possible and as such would probably not exist.


Crikey, as a kid I remember when top shelf girly mags in the local news agent were the very height of risky fetish material. Foot fetish and domination just didn't exist commercially, not outside Soho anyway.

So in conclusion I think that we all have a lot to be grateful for in this site and the access that the net has provided, but we have to take the rough with the smooth as well and be happy that enthusiastic consumers want to share their interests with like minded individuals.

I hope that my meandering comments don't offend any one because I appreciate all of your efforts.

Best wishes to all on this forum.
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Old 09-14-2017, 1:06 PM
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Returning to the thread's theme, face in floor:
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h57a378bbd32f1

HH face standing:
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...key=1021895592
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:05 AM
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A few more thoughts.

Marcus – you seem to be engaging in a one man campaign to have this thread closed down. In the eight or so years it’s been going none of the full or part time producers have complained. Actually, the opposite, a number of producers have told me that the thread increases traffic to their sites when samples of their work are effectively publicized.
However, if I come across a YT account that has dozens of pirated clips I do not post any of the links – I would inform the producers & get no thanks at all, so, I no longer bother. IIRC the only producer who ever thanked me was Queen Adrena.
Certainly, there is shedloads of pirated material out there – once anything is on the web it can be copied & distributed – nothing will ever stop it & that’s how it will remain.
So, I cannot see how this thread is damaging anyone except maybe your own ego.
I’m beginning to wonder who is getting the YT threads pulled so quickly – I (& many others) have long suspected it’s someone from this forum.
Over the past few years I’ve contributed something like 4k in hard cash supporting the “industry” & I’ve also lost around 1k in hard cash for purchases that have not turned up, deposits’ paid & lost. Not as much as some, but still a decent contribution in hard cash & a hell of a lot of hours.
Also, as a long term member of this forum (far, far longer than you as it happens) I take exception to be referred to as “I've dealt with far more odious people than you. I know you are not the worst by a long shot.” (your words - & you say it’s not personal………)
I now move on.

Recently, I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about my part in the community.
I’ve put a lot into this thread & seem to have generated a lot of flack for my efforts.
Up till now I’ve felt 50/50 about starting to look for & post links again, now, due to the aforementioned flak I’m thinking very seriously about starting again. I'm going to sleep on that one.
Certainly, the time I have not been trawling YT has been useful elsewhere so I’ll probably settle on having a weekly or twice weekly trawl & see how it goes.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:18 PM
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Well, I've slept on it & decided that all the while it's in my power I will continue, hopefully with support from other members.

So, here's a few to kick it off again ;

1:26 HH spiky courts in kitchen
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ6munY6zBA

1:23 nice hosed feet in low wedged sandals
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO9QcJ6xLo

1:32 200lb Lady trampling front barefoot (promo direct from producer)
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp_kanMktkQ

0:30 VHH VS thigh boots out & about in Paris
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZS668e178g

Now, none of these are "commercial material" as far as I can see. I'll make an even harder effort to try to avoid anything that may offend the more delicate individuals that are bleating on about the way they feel - please bear that in mind when posting links.

Enjoy the links & your weekend.
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Well, I've slept on it & decided that all the while it's in my power I will continue, hopefully with support from other members.
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You're a bit of a legend on this board bfrug, please don't lose heart.
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Old 09-16-2017, 5:45 PM
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Thank you, bfrug!
Your decision is a benefit to the Mistress Destiny community, it would have been a real pity...
The count number of this thread is a proof that your work is highly appreciated.
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Old 09-17-2017, 7:21 AM
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Just three for today ;

0:17 BBW with chunky sandals crushing mode3l car preview
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrgN1PNO_I

1:00 barefeet crushing cake preview
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsiL4W5s8Ag

3:16 barefeet trampling abs
YThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9ykiBxcnc
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Old 09-17-2017, 9:29 AM
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Found this nice channel today. YThttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn0Pk6ejB6MYhYtO6MPWlfg
Crushing in lovely shoes.
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I am behind you too Bfrug, without you this board would be in trouble. You have contributed so much over the years and people just don't appreciate it but your contributions make me a stronger member too and I am inspired to keep posting because of you. Thank you my Friend and Have a Wonderful Day
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